I guess I am pretty famous for my futile attempts of getting people to respect readme files that come with maps. Warning, whine and drama ahead.
It has long become standard in the QW scene to distribute the maps (.bsp) ripped out of their ZIP and without their accompanying textfiles. Probably this was even boosted by the QW servers providing the plain BSP files to players who missed them.
Why is this a problem?
Well, first of all providing a textfile makes it easier for the users to get additional informations about the map. Authors tend to provide a way to contact them and include additional informations such as known bugs etc. Maybe some of you read the mvdsv-kg.txt
I wrote to accompany my little map? I included links to the source for the map, to 24bit textures, credited the creators of the textures and provided my email address to contact me. Is this not useful?
Many mappers include a variation of following text: This level can be distributed in any way, on any medium, so long as the .ZIP file is not altered. The full text file must be included.
What does this mean? It means the mapper would be delighted to have his map distributed and he grants you the permission doing so if you simply keep the ZIP file as it is.
People to used to distribute the plain BSP files nowadays so sadly there is no point asking them to distribute the ZIP files instead. Hell, I doubt most have ever seen the ZIPs of their collected maps. What is possible however is a) an integration of ZIP support into ezQuake (it's already there in some kind I think), b) have the servers allowing download of ZIPs instead of BSPs. Or as an variation, make the clients download mapname.txt when getting mapname.bsp from a server.
I mean, at least the people who are actively working on the map distribution could abide that "rule".
Why I am writing this rant has an easy explanation. After seeing Empezar not wanting to include the text files into nQuake
we had a heated discussion in IRC that went ridiculous immediately:
the text file thing won't happen, nquake is about being clean and nice - text files in maps dir are just the opposite imo
fnu[Empezar]: wtf about not adding the textfilesSpirittt:
have you ever read one of them?Spirittt:
no? you shouldfnu[Empezar]:
there's absolutely no point adding them to nquakeSpirittt:
tell me thenSpirittt:
how about "Include this text file untouched and give me credit."fnu[Empezar]:
"created using gtkradian. took me 20 hours."Spirittt:
or about "You MAY distribute this BSP, provided you include this file, withSpirittt:
no modifications. You may distribute this file in any electronicSpirittt:
format (BBS, Diskette, CD, etc) as long as you include this file Spirittt:
oh, so servers should not allow downloading of bspsSpirittt:
oh, now you are evadingfnu[Empezar]:
this is sillySpirittt:
yes, silly not to abide the simple wish of the mappers and include ~10KB of textfilesfnu[Empezar]:
nquake is used to play multiplayerfnu[Empezar]:
shareware license forbids itfnu[Empezar]:
should i shut down nquake now?fnu[Empezar]:
simple wish of creatorsfnu[Empezar]:
they spent tons of hours and money on creating quakefnu[Empezar]:
more so than map makersfnu[Empezar]:
if you want to whine about a thing like this, be consistentfnu[Empezar]:
ask me to shut down nquakeSpirittt:
don't shut it down unless you are told by "the creators"Spirittt:
should i get the mappers to tell you to include them or what do you want with this stupid "comparison"?fnu[Empezar]:
i'm not shutting anything downfnu[Empezar]:
i could include the text files, and then have nquake remove them after installationSpirittt:
give credit where it is dueSpirittt:
what is so hard about including them?Adde|:
or dont include maps Adde|:
and let them dl them fnu[Empezar]:
it's a pain though adde, if they want to start playing against botsfnu[Empezar]:
finding a server where the map is playedAdde|:
u can include them in the fb pack fnu[Empezar]:
doesn't matter in what pack i put them, everything gets downloadedAdde|:
Spirittt, if it's about credits, i could write a credits.txt and include that in nquakeAdde|:
if u include them in the pak .. then it doesnt really matter .. it is there and it isnt altered Adde|:
but not actually in plain sight fnu[Empezar]:
or just put credits at the bottom of the soon-to-be readme.txt
I can't see any disadvantage in providing text files and thus beg you (everyone) to do it.