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Started playing Quakeworld in 1997. Always been active in the community. With strong opinions about the game and the path it should follow, always fought the conservative qw ideals. Lately has been involved in bringing new players into the game, making their life easier and promoting different game modes and maps.

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Hardware  /  13 Oct 2017, 14:00
CRT madness in 2017!
As most of the readers, i'm near my forties. And i've played games all my life. Lately nostalgia knocked in, and while chatting with my mate Matrix on Whatsapp, he told me he was looking for a CRT monitor in local ads.
I understood what he was aiming for.

He finally got one. And I got one too. In 2017.

This is our story
The chase
Browsing the ads on the area, there are some crt monitors. 95% are not good enough. 3% are too expensive. and 2% might be what you're looking for.

I was looking for a 19'' crt monitor, because I owned a 19'' Sony E430 before and that was about right. 17'' screen (16'' viewable) is too small for today's standards, and 21'' are monsters, too big for my desk and back.
About the monitor specs: I've learned that the single most important spec is horizontal frequency. Not vertical. There is a formula that tells you what is the maximum vertical refresh rate on a given resolution. The formula is:
VrHz = ((MaxHrkHz*1000)/HorizLines) * 0.95


So, if I wanted to know what is the theoretical vertical frequency limit of my old Sony E430 at 1024*768 (which has a max horizontal frequency of 96Khz):
((96*1000)/768)* 0.95 = 118hz


pretty neat, huh? from my 30 years using CRTs, I didn't knew that one.
so we've searched dozens of monitors. c|net has the specs for nearly any monitor. Our google searches were
<monitor brand and model> specs

And most of the times the first result was from c|net. To get the most reliable specs, google the monitor's manual instead. c|net is a good start though.

Matrix ended up getting a NEC 95F for 15, and me a LG F900P for 25.
Great!
https://i.imgur.com/fwAIrv2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pnH0zZi.jpg


The setup
Plug and play. Just use an DVI -> VGA adapter or HDMI -> VGA.
To set the custom resolutions/vertical frequency there's a very nice little program for windows called CRU - Custom Resolution Utility. There you can set all kind of combinations of resolutions and refresh rates. There are many Youtube tutorials explaining how to set it up. And there's some wicked possibilities too - how about running Interlaced 1600*1200 @ 160hz ??

I had some issues though. Since my monitor supports a pretty high 111kHz horizontal frequency, I can get for example 1024*768 @130hz or 1280*960 @100hz. And when using those high-demanding combinations, there was some blur, the image was not focused. Our own Ciscon argued that the VGA cable I used might be causing it. VGA cables (like all cables) have limited bandwidth. And advised me to use my monitors BNC connectors. Not all monitors have BNC. They are only present in high end crt monitors and tvs. BNC cables shield and isolate the signals much better than a normal VGA cable. So I got one BNC (5 connectors) -> VGA cable. And its beautiful.
https://i.imgur.com/k2UBtAbg.jpg


The result
For all Quakes, the result is amazing. The benefits of using a CRT over my LG LCD 120hz are quite visible. It's smoother, there's no input lag, no ghosting... nothing. Just smooth as butter.
For browsing and most other games the LCD is better. But for the Quakes?.. CRT all the way. I can hit some rockets on Quake Champions now.


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sources
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousCRTMasterRace/
http://www.testufo.com/
http://www.csgnetwork.com/videosignalcalc.html
http://monitorinsider.com/cable_bandwidth.html
Comments
2017-10-16, 06:55
Agreed! Running my games on a Sony G420 with 1152x864@118 Hz, could go to 800x600@168 I think (110 kHz refresh rate)
2017-10-17, 16:48
Hey:] how did u get the cru custum resolution thing?
I bought an eizo crt from eBay since my crts all got killed in the basement from Water broken pipe. And i might get my old comp fired up who knows ;}
2017-10-17, 21:23
Download it here:
https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU
2017-10-17, 22:31
Thnx :}
2017-10-18, 12:07
Ahhhh good "old" days
I was rocking Iiyama Vision master 454 from 2009 until it died around 2012 or something.
Switching to 120Hz LCD Benq was so painful after playing QW on 640x480@200hz for few years
Good for you guys :>
2017-10-19, 09:57
hey adre cru is linked on the text
er, i think i saw a Iiyama Vision master on a polish olx or something last month.

have fun guys
2017-10-22, 16:50
Damn you mushi! Now i must bring home my old CRT
2017-10-27, 19:41
When my last CRT monitor broke (I think 4-5 years ago), QW died for me. Previously I had also bought it second hand very cheapljust as you did. Unfortunately, I will never get another second hand large monitor approved - the women acceptance factor for those monsters is just terrible.

I've always wondered why it wasn't possible to make QW "smooth" on a standard LCD monitor running on 60hz.

Thanks for your manual, I'm sure it will help someone - it's well worth it!
2017-11-01, 02:21
I would love to see how my new 27" 240hz monitor stacks up against these CRT's inputlag and smoothness wise... all i know is that over my 144hz monitor of the same size (and same 1ms input rating) the difference is huge
2017-11-17, 19:55
I actually have and eizo crt set up now but dirtbox i wonder how ur TFT 240hz compares to a crt with input lag smoothness etc...i tried an 144hz benq long time ago and it was horrible....there is an eizo foris 144hz 0.05input lag and IPS panel i also wonder how good that is but its over 1k that moni
Greeets
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