the big problem with suggestions like these is that most of the work has to be done by people who are already filled up with work. what we need are more people who actually do something, instead of more people who tell the very few people doing the dirty work to do more dirty work. if someone who isn't already busy doing something important can take on this challenge and do a good job, i think it's a good way to go.

Well i could do the add the code if eb doesnt say no. But need help with a good formula for this.

hehe nice written emp!
so whats up with slide challenge #2 ?

#3 Race mode is still missing from ktx-mod and i have only found 2 suitable maps

#1, I think this suggestion (once setup) would actually reduce the needed time for admins to launch a tournament. Spend time to save time eh.
just like nQuake.

yes, as long as the spender of time is someone who isn't already loaded with projects. we need new blood to qw headquarters.

This would be very cool, I think a ladder type system is the best idea that you mentioned (the tennis ranking system). Too bad there aren't many coders out there that have the time.

we could easily set up a tourney.quakeworld.nu, and move existing tourney data into the database

I think it would be complicated to use existing tournamentdata (atleast more then one tournament) considering people used different nicks etc... And each of these pages have their own array of user accounts.

If you aren't afraid of doing some grunt work, then you could always try it out using the wiki and doing all manual calculations. If it turns out to be successful/popular -> automate it and make it more official by constructing a website with a proper backoffice.

I realize that doing this kinda stuff by hand for _all_ players is a huge task. If you decide to do a test version, then include everyone who's come top 10 or something in the x last tournaments?

I would appreciate a system where all the stats + history are stored and browsable in one place. Implementing a ranking system would be a good bonus.

I do feel, however, that the tournaments should be able to maintain their own sites and image if they so choose. This would simply mean that only the tournament stats would be connected to this "tourney.quakeworld.nu".

And since you brought it up, why couldn't it be expanded to other types of tournaments / leagues

#11 Looking at your sugestion from a technical view. This would ofc be very nice. But perhaps the best way 2 go.

Every player in a 4v4 team would need a qw.nu account if we would want to keep track individual player statistics. Then people would signup for tournaments with their qw.nu account rather than creating a new user accounts. This however is a huge project.
The result however would be very good and perhaps similar to how facebook works (I only read about this site, never tried it myself).

The way i first suggested in the blog is more similar to clanbase or gaminge-eye.

Very nice idea

connecting tourney stats to tourney.qw.nu or whatever, and using the user database from qw.nu seems like a great idea.

I can imagine the scepticism of those who would approve new tournaments under this one big roof to allow new people arrange tournament. Therefore it might lead to less tournaments in the end.

The exclusion of less common clients from fquake might discourage people from developing their own clients. I know this is a kinda bad argument.

Having the possibility to launch your own tournament without having to setup web-server,php,databases etc.. should imo increase the amount of small tournaments.

Thats what I did with KTK1-10 and what we are now doing with FTK1-7
its not that hard, you just need to have the time and energy for it!

To run a tourney nowadays is quite easy, just contact me or one of the ownage admins and you will have your own phptourney site in no-time!

About having tourney.qw.nu or what ever is a great idea, I can give u access willgurht if you wanna do it, but I dont wanna have another 99% project going on, im through with raket-fasoner

You know I'm a big fan of the idea, Willgurht, but there are a ton of downsides too to all of this.
1) The accuracy of the rankings: People like Rock or Reppie are top-duelers but haven't participated in any of the tournaments. Not in KTK, not in Ownage, not in Summerjam and so on. They wouldn't even be in the rankings despite being great duelers.
2) I don't think national duel tournaments should be allowed to be included. Just look at countries like Russia: They got their RQWL (Russian QuakeWorld League) tournaments going on and they're on like season 9 now or something. Meanwhile, hardly any of the other countries have such competitions. Bottom line: It sucks when not all (Europeans) are able to improve their rankings regularly. If there was a ranking then it should only include tournaments that all Europeans can participate in.
3) Dmm4 stuff should not be included either. It says nothing about your overall dueling skill if you're good dmm4 player. I've been raped on Endif by people I beat 40:0 on any regular duel map. Dmm4 is Dmm4, not duel. And I also know that you were just using those 'status values' as an example, but the fact that you gave dmm4 the value '5' (more than Summerjam??) is scary & wrong.
4) I'm not a huge fan of everything being 'controlled' by qw.nu. Running a tournament under the roof of qw.nu would also mean being dependent on their current crew, having to ask for ftp access if you want to customise anything on the template, etc. Sure it would be nice to have all tourneys on the same site (For overview & so people don't have to register a new account every time there is a new tournament), but for me personally the disadvantages outweigh the benefits.
5) So even if phptourney could read the stats, generate points and put them into a ladder/ranking table: What about people don't play under a different name from time to time? Just look at Fifi playing as Marklar in Ownage, Seese playing as Doris in Ownage, Eclipse playing as Y in Summerjam? Including all these things (Exporting all the tourneys databases to tourney.qw.nu, building this entirely new portal, correcting entries when players fake, etc will most definitly end up being more work than just adding the stuff manually.

P.S.: Sassa? Since when can you provide webspace/database for tourneys?!

Soma,
1) Ranking is very simple. If you don't play in tournaments that give you points in the established ranking system, you won't get any points in it - no matter how good of a dueler you are (or were). That's like having some prodigy child run 100m dash in WR times in his back yard and against townsmen, but never going to official races. Again, he will not be in any of the official rankings.
2) This is quite a difficult thing to set straight, because we don't have the luxury of ever really organizing duel-tourneys where all the best players would attend with equal playing conditions. Due to the nature of our current qwscene, I would opt to make it very much Europe centric. Not that I like the idea, but it's simply the only practical solution.
3) I do agree to some degree. Dmm4 and midair are types of duel tournaments, but do in no way represent the kind of gameplay in all the other tournaments. Therefore they should not be in the same ranking scheme.
4) From what I've understood, the qw.nu part would only be central scores + rankings interface with the possibility to setup a tourney site within qw.nu IF you so wish. You should be able to connect to the ranking interface easily without setting up directly with qw.nu preset tourney page. It's not a question of qw.nu _controlling_ everything, it's just a service qw.nu would provide with many already noted features that people would no doubt enjoy finding at the biggest qw hub atm.
5) Well old tournaments are one thing, but future tournaments could require being tied to qw.nu account (at least somewhat of a deterrent) or if the stats are skewed on a couple of accounts (fifi/marklar), simply unify them. You shouldn't have to worry about lower ranked players' nicknames. We should make it clear that ranking will only count for the primary know nickname if it is known to the organizers easily. And if it were tied to an account, you could play with whatever nickname (kinda like eql, nqr etc.) but all the scores would go to the actual account which features your realnick.

Since zalon got internet at home and is online more frequently

Only tourney that is right now using the qw.nu userdatabase is KTK and FTK and with that we also have a ranking system that has been through for season1 and now its running for season2 for both rookies and oldies.
Only thing thats needed is manpower with knowledge and interest of doing stuff 100% done and not 99% done.

Im not a fan of hosting all tourneys on one site. You all know, what happend as qw.nu got hacked or?

Even if it isn't feasible to have all tournaments under the same roof, I do think there is a need to have a certain place to look for ongoing and upcoming tournaments, preferably quakeworld.nu. As far as I understand, you have to browse the forums and read the news posts to get updated as to what's going on. There has to be an easier way...

we actually have an calendar on the forum that shows the next even on the quakeworld.nu front page: http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/calendar.php