I have been waiting 3 weeks when admins do some demendi but they don’t wanna or they don’t have time to do it. So that’s why I have to write some on the “faker” . When admins branded me I write them this statement. Some information are very private so I put there something like this - (XXXX)
The statement was:
“”””I have to say something because I have enough this situation around my person. This situation irritating me. I will have to say things which nobody knows about it. What’s I ask you to say nobody about it. Only me and admins can know. I will start that halflost is a player who’s does not playing qw now. I think he is sitting only on qtv. Probably bambocha its his fakename. Did someone see nick halflost on 4/4 mix or whatever.? Everything started 2 or 3 years ago when halflost was in the same team with biborodek. They got the extreme rape from dc. Like 500-20 or something.( I showed to admins the screen from this rape) Since that time he hates DC and he many times said that he will do all to destroy us. He is looking for any way to vengeance on dc. He attacked dc members on polish qw forum in all topics. He most hates fluarity. All polish qw scene know him not from game, but from forum. When he played with biborodek then they extracted conclusion that me is the same person like sniegowy. (Ehh this is not true). They had been think this to the present. Remember too the fact that bibo halflost, and sniegowy played together 3 season ago in machinery. After that season Biborodek and halflost gone, and they want then take sniegowy. He said me then he wanna stay in machinery. Since thet time biborodek and halflost are angry. Now I will tell you about this important thing. Sniegowy is my cousin. I am (xxx) old now he is (xxx)old . He learned me playing qw. When he was polish (xxxx) in 1997 I was then (xxx) and have been starting play qw. After 2 years he finished qw. I encouraging him to came back qw after ages. He backs, I don’t remember 2-3 yeras ago.I give him then my config and said him “don’t use all” Please look demos before 2 years ago, when he’s back. He didn’t know what is bunnyhops, his move was like noob’s. But like player who played ealier, he learned very fast. He said me many times, that someone laugh for him. I am one from oldness polish qw players. I am old, I have wife and small children, and really I don’t have time to play on shamoth but what on others. That’s its very funny. Many times sniegowy is coming to me with his wife( our wifes are know very well, and they are close friends). When he cames, then sometimes I had been giving him play on my comuter.( so thats why we sometimes had the same ip ,komputer system, client etc.) I have never faked him on qw, and he had never faked me. Was one time when I played like sniegowy. When he coudn’t come, on polish qw party. It was local competition, and then we need one to play internal tournament. Not on qw!!!!!!! I am really clear. Halflost probably know that we are from the same city, so he has argument to revenge on dc. When sniegowy coming on the serwer he usualy talk to me(hello brother). Someone probably sow it. This ia argument to find more to destroy somebody. Think please, why halflost want also ban for fluarity and ponczek!!!! Now halflost deleted all his post on qw.pl? Why??? There was write that he will do all to destroy dc and machinery! Now I will tell something about predator. Proedator Its a (xxxxx), so I don’t know why me! I have nothing with this guy. This is guy who’s coming only on official matches.I faked him 2 max 3 times, when dc2 didndt have 4. And that’s it. And it’s all I know. All dc players asked me “ are u fake like sniegowy’ but never nobody asked me, who is sniegowy for you. I will not give answer on the forum, because talk with halflost doesn’t make sens. When could be repeat from qw.pl forum. He is stupid young, and I don’t have time for this fun. Many times we played with sniegowy pracs, and mixs and then halflost didn’t see it.Strange. Last Saturday we played in 4on4 me, sniegowy and predator, so someone should be stupid to beleve halflost. Very strange .Its funny. So its not my problem but his psyche. Think really please. What benefit will have old player who’s does not have enough time to fake some other. All this situation is unpleasant for me and for all polish qw. One guy, many problems. Please really thing and will see all things again. I am admin like u but on polish site and beleve me, I know what to do to be not catching for fakeing. Its no problem to cheange ips, client, config, qw-dir. All this situation doesn’t make sens. Men who did a lot of things for qw is fakeing in 3 clans. For what? - For rule? For fun? Why u didint check ips and komputers when me(shamoth) and sniegowy played mixes and pracs. It was many times!!!! . When last sunday pleyed sham, sniegowy and predator. Ehh mens. So who then fakeing?!?!?!?!? I got u many proofs in this statement that you are thinking wrong now. All should be fair. I told u now all things I know. Why you didn’t never ask me? “hej shamoth is it true?” I would tell you the then true before this curious situation. U can ban me for this 2 or 3 times fake like predator. But I write one more time I am not sniegowy!!! “””When admins didnt wanna contact with me and give me answer, then i traying to talk with them.
”””””””””””””””””””””””””[17:02] <[DC]shamoth> hi
[17:02] <[DC]shamoth> did u get my anser from hoora?
[17:49] <Itsinen> i have got one post yes
[17:50] <Itsinen> bbl
[17:57] <[DC]shamoth> and olso demos? screens? links?
[19:33] <Itsinen> haven't seen demos, screens and links but dunno really what they can help
[19:35] <[DC]shamoth> demos, screens, and linnks, and that, what i wrote. all these things are proofs that a true is a little difrent
[19:36] <[DC]shamoth> i wrote all about sniegowy, predator, me
[19:37] <[DC]shamoth> no aone didint knot what i faked predator (is was then. when he didnt caming)
[19:37] <Itsinen> yes i did read it, but you did also confess to faking
[19:38] <Itsinen> so what is the difference in faking and faking, not really much tbh :/
[19:39] <[DC]shamoth> difrent its fakeing for imagine person, and real person
[19:39] <Itsinen> that's true, but both breaks the same rules
[19:39] <[DC]shamoth> right
[19:40] <[DC]shamoth> but in this situation sniegowy is real and now he is aggrived
[19:40] <[DC]shamoth> i am not he!!!!!!!
[19:41] <[DC]shamoth> and he is wrongly punished
[19:43] <[DC]shamoth> that a stupid situation. Try to imegine when i would have to talk to all about my family like explain
[19:45] <[DC]shamoth> whats why i wanna talk with u about it ,not with all
[19:48] <[DC]shamoth> others person not have to be harass for my mistakes
[19:49] <[DC]shamoth> Sniegowy is real, and i have never faked him
[19:50] <[DC]shamoth> only predator (i dont remember 2-3 times)
[19:56] <[DC]shamoth> when he couldnt came
[20:01] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=25522
[20:01] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=25520
[20:01] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=9971 Date 09/02/2010 21:19 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:02] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=6934
[20:02] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=6932
[20:02] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=6930
[20:02] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=6928
[20:02] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=6898
[20:02] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=6893
[20:03] <[DC]shamoth> http://stats.quakeworld.nu/index.php?a=4on4_ScoreBoard&matchId=6890
[20:03] <[DC]shamoth> i can send u others screens from 4/4 mixs
[20:12] <[DC]shamoth> http://i.imgur.com/QV8s1.jpg here u got a screen ( nubbe its halflost) all started since that time
[20:18] <[DC]shamoth> alo alo alo
[20:41] <Itsinen> well anyways, we don't do anything with your nicks on the same server since anybody can fake as anybody
[20:42] <Itsinen> we would need some kind of ip data etc from a person who isn't in any relations with you guys when you've been on the server to make this eastier
[20:43] <[DC]shamoth> so try find
[20:43] <[DC]shamoth> if u find the same ips u can find difrent olso
[20:49] <[DC]shamoth> if i woould that the situation will be like now, then i could make videos or whatever
[20:51] <[DC]shamoth> half off quakeworld people sow us together many times on qw
[20:51] <[DC]shamoth> week ago, month ago, year ago
[20:51] <[DC]shamoth> its so funny to do mistification all time!
[20:53] <[DC]shamoth> milton sow au
[20:53] <[DC]shamoth> us
[20:53] <[DC]shamoth> para sow us
[20:54] <[DC]shamoth> saw
[20:55] <[DC]shamoth> <Itsinen> well anyways, we don't do anything with your nicks on the same server since anybody can fake as anybody
[20:56] <[DC]shamoth> so u trying to say somene faked sniegowy one year, when i played with him
[20:58] <[DC]shamoth> someone faked sniegowy and predator 5 mounts ago or 1 year, for me to can i fake them all time!!!!!!!!!!
[21:26] <[DC]shamoth> alo alo
[21:41] <Itsinen> well considering that you are pals i find it really weird that you aren't like daily on the same servers, if not playing then as spec or so
[21:41] <Itsinen> and there's still just a couple of times when you've been seen together and afaik only on polish servers where we don't have any proper sources atm
[21:43] <Itsinen> same thing for you all 3 is that you have the same clients, same settings, same routing, all has changing ips (until disconnect), same computer at some point has been proved aswell, after this came out all has had it disbled to check it.. this is just a starter
[21:44] <Itsinen> you all three on a server after you knew we were investigating it again was also a funny coincident, since as i said i feel really doubtfull about almost never beeing on same server considering you are pals
[21:45] <Itsinen> i am not saying that it couldn't be true as what you are saying but still, there is no convincing proof of me beeing wrong in this case either, atleast since almost all proof seems to be against you
[21:58] <[DC]shamoth> so i said i faked predator several times so thats i had same clients, same settings, same routing, all has changing ips
[21:59] <[DC]shamoth> sniegowy is my cusin and he was mamy time in my hause so the same clients, same settings, same routing, all has changing ips
[22:00] <Itsinen> yes, but the point is that how do you proove that you aren't him all the time
[22:00] <[DC]shamoth> i saw u screens
[22:00] <[DC]shamoth> demos
[22:00] <[DC]shamoth> links
[22:01] <[DC]shamoth> i gave u alk what i find
[22:01] <[DC]shamoth> all
[22:01] <[DC]shamoth> and i repeat
[22:01] <[DC]shamoth> if i did know what u wanna ban us
[22:01] <[DC]shamoth> i woul be do screens every match
[22:01] <[DC]shamoth> take all demos
[22:01] <[DC]shamoth> etc
[22:02] <[DC]shamoth> itsinen
[22:03] <[DC]shamoth> i dont have to talk about it on forum
[22:03] <[DC]shamoth> so i wanna do it with u
[22:03] <[DC]shamoth> fast and clear
[22:12] <Itsinen> i can try to find a solution to be able to proove yourselves until next regular season but this requires quite much time and negotiations with other people
[22:13] <Itsinen> but it's nothing i can do within just some days, have no clue when i get a hold of the right people to make it happend
[22:45] <[DC]shamoth> my proofs abolish yours proofs
[22:46] <[DC]shamoth> it would be nice to do some dementi on eql site
[22:48] <[DC]shamoth> because i feel u did it not fair
[22:49] <[DC]shamoth> sniegowy is wrongly punished and machinery
[22:58] <[DC]shamoth> if u wanna ban me and sniegowy u have to do it for ever, because he wanna play and the same me i next seasons. i faked as predator ( (dont remember 2-3 times)he didnt know about it) and i apologise for this
[23:03] <Itsinen> no offence but your proof doesn't abolish any of my proofs atm tbh
[23:04] <Itsinen> and the case isn't about you not beeing banned, more about if the rest should be banned if they are different persons, so first we need to solve/get reliable proof that you aren't the same person, after that you will still be banned while if the persons excists their bans will be removed
[23:04] <Itsinen> since you have still faked, and it does still give a ban
[23:04] <Itsinen> and it's funny that only you have contacted me, not snie or pred at any level
[23:07] <[DC]shamoth> predator didint know
[23:08] <[DC]shamoth> about it
[23:09] <[DC]shamoth> sniegowy parently try contact with hooratio
[23:10] <[DC]shamoth> after this i forfent him until i will clarity it
[23:11] <[DC]shamoth> predator is sometimes active
[23:11] <[DC]shamoth> dc got contact with him
[23:12] <[DC]shamoth> but he no replay sice 1 any time
[23:12] <[DC]shamoth> so thats i faked him
[23:13] <[DC]shamoth> its logic
[23:13] <[DC]shamoth> logical
[23:14] <[DC]shamoth> I have never say thet not give me ban, i did mistake so i have get it
[23:15] <[DC]shamoth> eh men i am one of oldest qw player in pl.
[23:15] <[DC]shamoth> i dont have enought time on real life
[23:15] <[DC]shamoth> what about faking
[23:16] <[DC]shamoth> give any reason why should i faked
[23:22] <[DC]shamoth> as sniegowy 2 or 3 years
[23:25] <[DC]shamoth> remand the time when someone of u though what vega fakes as sniegowy..
[23:26] <[DC]shamoth> was funny. all scene laugh
[23:30] <[DC]shamoth> I thing that for u real profe woudl be then, when we will be on qhlan. then u could touch us then.
[23:35] <Itsinen> well that would atleast help yes
[23:36] <Itsinen> but as i said, i do think i have a solution for it but it will take some time to prepare for it
[23:36] <Itsinen> but anywys, i am off to sleep now
[23:45] <[DC]shamoth> watch demos „””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””Only Hooratyo send me email with this. When I showed him that conversation
„”” Ehh hoora. its look like someone want very very mutch baning 3 person and 2 clans
or " the admins are unerring" no matter what happend and they never dementied theirs mistakes.””””””””””””””
No clan is going to be banned.
What itsinen think is that you and snie are same person and that you faked as predator.
So he suggest to ban players shamoth, sniegowy and predator, not ban any clan.
Maybe it was a mistake not to contact you before writing the news. Im sorry for that.
But itsinen think the proof you pasted with games and demos was just to make things look ok afterwards.
It was still some strange things with hiding ip, hiding computer specifications etc.
Why didnt you tell other ppl from polish qw that sniegowy was playing from your home?
Im sorry this all had to happen. Maybe its a big misunderstanding but you still faked some games as predator.
If you didnt fake as sniegowy he should not be banned, but its hard to proove.
/Hooraytio-------------------So then I propound them, that i will show a foto from last polish qw party. There was sniegowy and me. People whos were on party can confirm it!!!
16th this month
[16:57] <[DC]shamoth_> did u read what i wrote yesterday?
[16:57] <[DC]shamoth_> hi
[17:05] <Itsinen> yes
[17:05] <[DC]shamoth_> give me meil
[17:06] <[DC]shamoth_> i wil show u foto from party
[17:06] <[DC]shamoth_> and i will write who was there
[17:06] <[DC]shamoth_> when u can ask them
[17:20] <[DC]shamoth_> ?????????????
[17:38] <Itsinen> i will do all checks of reliability about this case with people who has nothing to do with this case
[17:45] <[DC]shamoth_> everybody who was on party saw sniegowy and me. we came together on party. I will give u a nicks who was,
[17:45] <[DC]shamoth_> they can confirm
[17:47] <[DC]shamoth_> now u dont have to do nothing
[17:47] <[DC]shamoth_> i gave u many proofs
[17:48] <[DC]shamoth_> now u can only concluding
[17:49] <Itsinen> the problem is that if it is you faking they have known about it all the time, so therefor they aren't reliable in my eyes
[17:49] <[DC]shamoth_> write oficjal demendi on eql site
[17:49] <Itsinen> let me do the check when i am able to do it
[17:51] <[DC]shamoth_> the problem is that u dont wanna fess up for mistake
[17:52] <[DC]shamoth_> halflost told u stupid things many times
[17:52] <[DC]shamoth_> i wrote why he did it
[17:53] <[DC]shamoth_> I am not faking as sniegowy!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:53] <Itsinen> if i am wrong i will admit it, but you have had no proof that doesn't come from our point of view from somebody that isn't your friend or yourself
[17:54] <Itsinen> and i do hope you will start to understand that i will make a check as soon as i get a hold of the right people, then i will also need your cooperation aswell and predators and sniegos
[17:55] <Itsinen> and i will inform you about the date and time when i know i can do some stuff to make it happend, it will include several types of checks and not all are what you would expect that they are
[17:55] <[DC]shamoth_> u have to try underrstand. i dont have time for play any games
[17:57] <[DC]shamoth_> u dont beleave me? who i am? tatter?
[17:59] <Itsinen> i am not on anybodys side here, try to understand that, but i can't just say "we have no proof but shamoth and sniegowy isn't the same person" and make it go away, hope you understand
[17:59] <[DC]shamoth_> nou u are abaseing me
[17:59] <[DC]shamoth_> yes u can say it
[17:59] <Itsinen> why would i?
[18:00] <[DC]shamoth_> everybody can do mistakes
[18:00] <[DC]shamoth_> admins are the same people like all
[18:01] <Itsinen> if i have no reliable proof then i wount say it, just as with this case in the first place, i needed several evidences to make that statement which still seem stronger imo tbh.. but i am already helping you in the way that i am giving you are chance to be able to proove that you aren't the same person and that isn't enough? if that's not enough then i have to start to think that are you now just whining so that i wouldn't help you
[18:02] <Itsinen> and i have no problem makeing a statement about you not beeing the same person as snie, but i need proof, AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YET
[18:03] <Itsinen> i don't need to help you, but i am still going to give you a chance to proove yourself, so be HAPPY that i am doing that for you.. but if you keep on pushing and pushing i might lose intrest in doing that, which i would hope for your sake that i don't
[18:04] <[DC]shamoth_> so all time u trying to say that, all my proofs (demos, many stats, screns, fotos from party - many people can confirm this) are not proofs
[18:05] <Itsinen> they aren't reliable proof
[18:06] <[DC]shamoth_> For this situation many people are hates and laught for me.
[18:06] <[DC]shamoth_> but its not true
[18:07] <Itsinen> demos: anybody can fake their skill, change their type of gameplay >> stats: it's a nickstat, you can play on qwservers with whatever name you want >> fotos from party: if you and snie is the same person, these all people know about it already anyways and will back you up
[18:07] <[DC]shamoth_> and i can gently watch on this?
[18:08] <[DC]shamoth_> u tryying to say that half off polish qw players know about it?
[18:09] <Itsinen> i know the situation is shitty for you, it is for me aswell no matter what outcome, i still don't like anything about all this.. not the hfl discussions, not the discusisons with you.. i hate it all.. you understand?
[18:09] <Itsinen> well i know several cases from other countries from years ago, so it wouldn't surprise me
[18:10] <[DC]shamoth_> nobody knew about that sniegowy is my cousin!!!!!!
[18:11] <[DC]shamoth_> we are from the same city like many polish qw players
[18:11] <[DC]shamoth_> its qw . here nobody asking about your family!!!!!!!!!
[18:12] <Itsinen> yes, and that's why nobody knows anything about anything on this scene
[18:12] <[DC]shamoth_> exacly
[18:13] <Itsinen> i remember back in nqr1 or those times, had irl friend who played for koff and another clan from finland with another name, we were like 5-10 irl quakefriends that knew about it and all stuck together and didn't say anything.. still nobody knows what the alternative nick was
[18:13] <Itsinen> so fakeing in qw is really easy
[18:13] <[DC]shamoth_> but situations like this forceing to talk
[18:14] <Itsinen> i have had several prac names aswell, just so people wouldn't whine about fielding me.. but i've never done it in official games
[18:14] <[DC]shamoth_> i know!!!!!!!! i have playing this game sice 1997
[18:15] <Itsinen> so i hope that you understand that this isn't easy from an admins point of view
[18:15] <Itsinen> since this is common things we are dealing with
[18:15] <Itsinen> and it's not fun handling it, no matter what way the outcome is
[18:16] <[DC]shamoth_> but this point of view is easy and clear after what proof i gave u
[18:18] <[DC]shamoth_> ehh men. i did all what i should and could to prove u thats not true
[18:18] <[DC]shamoth_> i would not going to do anything else
[18:19] <[DC]shamoth_> in this situation u have to ban me and sniegowy for ever
[18:19] <[DC]shamoth_> because me and he wanna play in the future
[18:19] <Itsinen> as i said i have a solution to proove yourselves, but i will need time to get a hold of the right person to make it happend
[18:19] <Itsinen> but this just means that you will have to wait a while until i get a hold of the person i am trying to contact
[18:21] <[DC]shamoth_> but i dont have time to hearing from all the same thing any time
[18:21] <[DC]shamoth_> i have to write something on forum
[18:22] <[DC]shamoth_> but its pity that i must write about my private issue
[18:23] <[DC]shamoth_> ita only game, but i must write on my life
[18:23] <[DC]shamoth_> shit
[18:23] <Itsinen> tbh i don't know what you will benefit from writing something now, when everything could be "fine" in maybe a week or so
[18:37] <[DC]shamoth_> so if u dont have proofs jet " i am or not i am" u didit make post first. First u should talk with me, ask me and then accuse me.
[18:58] <Itsinen> well afaik there isn't anything that denies the proofs i have
[19:04] <[DC]shamoth_> eh but it doesnt denies that proofs what i have
[19:29] <[DC]shamoth_> so what u going to do?
So I am waiting waiting and waiting. I think we are treated unfair by admins, me and Sniegowy too. First we were baning and after looking proofs!!! We are ridiculed now by the community, lot of laughter and irony. I feel touched by admins decision, all without discussin with me first when i cant defend my person. I wait for official apology on eql site. I demand you let me play in playoff to compenate the admin's error of judgement