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Hooraytio  /  26 Jan 2016, 08:25
EQL 21 signups open!
The signups are now open for the 21st EQL season. Gather your mates and be a part of QW history!
The first big QW tournament of 2016 is here. As usual there will be one or more divisions followed by playoffs that will include everyone.

If we get less then 16 teams there will be one large division with A, B and C playoffs just like last season. With 16 or more clans there will be 2 divisions with a playoff setup aimed at making it competetive and exciting for all clans and reduce the really uneven games to a minimum, something that is hard to do in the groupstage but a little easier in the playoffs.

The difference this season is the fact that all clans that sign up get to vote on the map pool. When you sign up you will be asked to vote on your preferred map pool.

The options are:
TB3: DM2, DM3, E1M2
Large: DM2, DM3, E1M2, CMT1b, CMT3, CMT4

If TB3 wins then everything will be like last season with group games being BO3 and playoffs being BO5.

If Large wins then the group games will still be BO3 but if the score is 1-1 the decider will be TB3. If the first two maps was TB3 maps then the decider will be the remaining TB3 map. If one or two of the first two maps wasn't TB3 then the decider will be picked after the teams have tossed one TB3 map each. In this situation the same map can be played twice if it was played already but didnt get tossed.

The playoff BO5 games will work like this: First the 3 TB3 maps will be played and if the score is 2-1 the clan with 1 win will pick from the remaining 3 maps in the pool, if the score is then 2-2 the clan who had the 2-1 lead will pick the last map from the remaining 2 maps in the pool.

Please comment here, on the qw.nu forum or contact me on irc #eql.qw if you have questions, suggestions or complaints!

/Hooraytio
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Comments
2016-01-26, 08:43
#1
Btw, Chosen is still looking for a few players!
http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/topic/6760/chosen-looking-for-players-for-eql
2016-01-26, 11:58
#2
So you cant make 2 divs with 15 teams?

Strange
2016-01-26, 13:07
#3
Last season it wasnt practical to make 2 divisions for various reasons.
One reason was that too few teams fit into div2 for example.
Another was that I didnt want too few games.

Would be fun to see how you would have divided last seasons 15 teams into two divisions tho!

Quite a few ppl told me to make two divisions last season, yet all of them failed to provide me with their own suggestion. I guess they too noticed that last seasons clans couldnt easily be sorted in to two divisions. For one I dont even think teams like Paras FE and LB wanted to play in div2 and that leaves 3 clans out of wich one didnt play at all.

Also, when we look at the overall activity in EQL20 it was higher than ever before, that tells me that the participants had some fun afterall otherwise they would have quit.
2016-01-26, 19:24
#4
So you couldnt do div 1 with 6 teams and div 2 with 7 teams, with each teams playing each other twice? That would be 10 games and 12 games per team.

But yeah I see the challenge of putting up a league going for equal games etc. I guess thats why i suggested a change in format.
2016-01-26, 19:30
#5
It is not that easy. Show me what 6 clans you would have put in div1 and tell me how that would have been even for clan 5 and 6.

Also, FE and D99 would have had mostly uneven games in your div2 anyway so it isnt really helping.

Thanks for your input tho.
2016-01-26, 19:45
#6
Link? You're spreading bad vibes. Please stop. Enjoy EQL21 instead.
2016-01-26, 23:52
#7
So its ok for div99 to be raped but not team 5 and 6? I thought everyone here is saying rapes was ok. Talk about getting your own argument in the face lol

BPS: I say what i want whenever i feel like it to whom ever I want.

Debate is healthy, not spreading bad vibes. You got a problem with that i am sorry for you as i really cant help you with that

I am going to enjoy EQL21 indeed. Looking forward to get raped by SD, C88 and FOM, then rape div99
2016-01-27, 07:55
#8
Since you wont give me your suggestion on how you would have divided last seasons clans into 2 divisions im just going to assume you are trolling from now on.
Plus you dont even listen, most players really appreciated last season despite top vs bottom being really uneven. The key is having different playoffs clans can look forward to.
2016-01-27, 08:05
#9
Well the top 6 after EQL 20 seems fine for div. 1. Team 5 and 6 might get owned, but thats QW (according to your self and some others here). And since it dont matter where div99 is (also according to you), then its not a issue. This will (obviously) result in fewer rapes.
2016-01-27, 08:10
#10
I kind of disagree on everything Hooraytio. I just think when the head admin of EQL is ok with rapes because "that is QW", it really doesnt look good.

You should instead try to help out to get less rapes.

And the argument "ppl sign up and play" is for one reason only:

Lack of options

(Edited 2016-01-27, 08:11)
2016-01-27, 08:10
#11
I kind of disagree on everything Hooraytio. I just think when the head admin of EQL is ok with rapes because "that is QW", it really doesnt loon good.

You should instead try to help out to get less rapes.

And the argument "ppl sign up and play" is for one reason only:

Lack of options
2016-01-27, 08:10
#12
Nice double post....
2016-01-27, 08:29
#13
It is impossible to discuss with someone who dont read and also put words in your mouth,

You seek confrontation and enjoys being as abrasive as possible until everyone gets tired of you, well done.
2016-01-27, 08:57
#14
This is funny. I dont seek confrontation, i seek to get more activity and more fun games. You just dont like to debate on things you already made up your mind about. Fine, so we disagree,

Also, you are very good at owning yourself, saying i dont read what you write. Now lets see how much you read what i write:

Hooraytio wrote:
I see you removed games 8 and 9 in order to make it look even worse, way to go


Well now lets see what i wrote BEFORE you posted that:

Link wrote:
Well i was just browsing trough the played games section on EQL 20 and it just seemed that 7-8 out of every 10 games was pretty much gg before it even started


So when i removed games 8 og 9, out of the first 12 games, yes i would say that is pretty much spot on when i say 7-8 games out of 10.

So i guess you dont read what i write either.

Well done.

Seeing this develop as it does, with you being total narrowminded as the head admin of EQL, all i can do is cry on the behalf of QW.

This is a waste time, i am sorry to have done this.

Good riddance and the best of luck in the future.
2016-01-27, 09:00
#15
And now you even got tired of yourself, bye bye
2016-01-27, 10:20
#16
Problem with rape scores is the level of top and bottom. Take away FoM, SD and D99 and FE, and most games left are potentially even. Two divisions won't solve anything, but instead take away a lot of these exciting games. Last season, Chosen (5th) beat 3B (3rd) but lost to FU (7th) and FU lost to Paras (9th).
2016-01-27, 10:30
#17
How about relaxing a bit and have a discussion about EQL21 divisions when the number of participating teams (and who they contain) are known?

Looking at the previous season there doesn't seem to be an obvious break point in skill but rather be a long linear curve from top to bottom.

What I think would be most beneficial would be creating new smaller teams (like max 6ppl in each) with various skill level so the lower skilled players get a good environment to grow in. However this would require sacrifice from the top players that obviously want to be competitive and play at a higher level. Perhaps its a sacrifice worth making for a couple of seasons to let rising stars grow and we might be able to have more high skilled players in the future. You wont get much better if you're constantly playing equal or worse teams, not in a reasonable pace atleast, thats for sure.
2016-01-27, 10:38
#18
You have to be damn sure those 6 guys are active then. So many ppl say they will be active and then go missing from time to time during the season.
2016-01-27, 10:43
#19
Good point dimman and the way to solve that i think is to have a tournament style 4vs4 for the elite, like thunderdome/duelmania. Why play 12 games when you know you are going to rape 8 of those games? Its pointless. Do a div0 tournament TB3 with double elimination, say best of 5 maps per game. Can we field 8 teams to do that? Probably.

Then you solve the "who is the best" thing by having the best play the best.

Then do a league style with dimmans suggestion.

Just my 5 cents in the issue.

Hooraytio: you are a joke.
2016-01-27, 10:47
#20
And then you tell me you are not seeking confrontation and being generally abrasive?
Just stop writing to me, you are just being a dick like always.
2016-01-27, 10:49
#21
Hooraytio said: "You have to be damn sure those 6 guys are active then. So many ppl say they will be active and then go missing from time to time during the season."

Then i guess you need captains/clan leaders that got control over the team. That would be a good start. Why sign up uncertain players. Just leave them out of it.

Sounds like tournament style is the way to go; inactive team looses on WO and they are out.
2016-01-27, 10:51
#22
Well you say i dont read what you write, then i prove to you that you dont read what i write. And then you start to throw shit at me?

That is a ****ing joke.
2016-01-27, 10:54
#23
I mean, just do something with all your ideas instead of harassing others when they dont do what you want them to do.

You have many good ideas, some of them are perhaps not realistic in the current state of the scene, perhaps we have to let even uncertain players play in order to get teams.

But like I said, go do something with all your ideas. They dont have to be done by EQL. EQL has in no way a godly right to host all and every 4on4 league/cup/tournament. I would be more than happy if EQL got some competition from a league with a new take on things.
2016-01-27, 11:04
#24
Im working on it.

Sorry for trying to help.
2016-01-27, 11:17
#25
Look, I listen but it seems to me you dont like it when someone disagrees.
2016-01-27, 11:40
#26
Actually you didnt read what i wrote, as i proved to you. So no, you dont listen. You also got some issues when someone disagrees
2016-01-27, 11:51
#27
Hooraytio wrote:
You have to be damn sure those 6 guys are active then. So many ppl say they will be active and then go missing from time to time during the season.

Since the skill level is wide there shouldn't be any problems replacing the inactive ones. Having 8 players on the team were 8 players want to play but only 4 will isn't productive either. Best case would be 4 players in each team so everyone who wants can play, but that's not practically reasonable.

Take your personal grudge in PM or somewhere else, I don't have time to cleanup useless comments...
2016-01-27, 11:55
#28
Perhaps, I have found it hard in the past to find replacements though.

(Edited 2016-01-27, 12:57)
2016-01-27, 12:02
#29
Quote:
Perhaps, I have found it hard in the past to find replacements though.

Sure can be, but I'm thinking its easier to find replacements in a bigger player pool than if your goal is to be as competitive as possible.
2016-01-27, 12:18
#30
dimman
2016-01-27, 13:01
#31
Just wondering how the pool can be bigger if most of the interested players are already playing in one of the teams who are either: 1. A clan trying to win the whole thing by getting the best players, 2. Old clan with varying skill having some fun, 3. rookies/oldtimers. I mean, who is still out there not currently in one of these clans when the season is under way?

The only time you have some players to pick from is before the season when everyone doesnt have a team. If you start with 4-6 players and some of them lose interest you are going to have a hard time replacing them. Ask norules about his quest for new players midway into last season.

I think each clan need to atleast have a higher limit, around 8-10 guys, in order to be active but I agree that 4-6 players would be optimal ofc. Its just not realistic.
2016-01-27, 14:40
#32
We will see, the 5 teams signed now have 5-6 players each.
The two d99 teams havent added any players and I am still waiting for their all star team to sign up. I guess their regular team will have upwards to 10 players and the all star team around 6 players.
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