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2011-03-11, 02:13
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Hi everyone.

Wanna to build a computer to play some QW on the PC instead of a notebook.
I do not play any other games besides QW, so I do not see a reason to spend $200+ for a video card.
I would also suggest to stuck with NVidia, cos I do not like ATI's gamma issues and I have a problems with 2 monitor support with ATI.

Most likely I will buy BENQ XL2410T 120hz monitor and will play in 1920x1080 or 960x540.
I will need 600+ fps on Windows7 Pro x64 and I do not use any eyecandy setttings.

Can someone recommend some NVidia card for me?

After really quick look I am thinking about GTS 450, but probably it is not the best choose.
With best wishes, B1aze.
2011-03-11, 02:32
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What about GTX 550 ? but its $150 or something.
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2011-03-11, 02:36
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if the only game you play is qw, then you can save yourself a bit of money and get a lesser spec card, gtx450 seems overkill for QW + general media playing flash things etc
2011-03-11, 03:14
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qqshka wrote:
What about GTX 550 ? but its $150 or something.

What it is? I can't find any information about it. And if you are talking about gtx 560, then price will be around $250.
With best wishes, B1aze.
2011-03-11, 03:14
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Jebus wrote:
if the only game you play is qw, then you can save yourself a bit of money and get a lesser spec card, gtx450 seems overkill for QW + general media playing flash things etc

Which one will be able to do 600fps in 1920*1080?
With best wishes, B1aze.
2011-03-11, 09:01
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Why would you get a horrible expensive monitor and then go budget on the gfx card when it seems like what you focus on is QW, you should go for a CRT and go all in on the gfx card instead and why exactly 600+ fps? there is almost no difference ones you go 300+. Im also pretty confident fps in qw is almost 100% cpu
2011-03-11, 09:43
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The price for monitor is OK. According to players feedback the monitor actually worth it.

As for gfx, I do not see a reason to spend a lot if I will not use it.

More fps = more smooth. And after 600 or 800, I do not feel the difference, so it is OK for me.

I already donate my 160HZ CRT monitor and QW computer to another qw player and I am very glad that he uses it a lot. Sad that it is impossible to buy good CRT monitor from Mitsubishi or IIyama right now, but I think this BENQ will be good enough.
With best wishes, B1aze.
2011-03-11, 10:57
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If you don't need OpenGL 4.0 or DX11 support (ie. only playing qw) then you could go for used GTX200 class card, like GTX260/275/285. You would also be fine with 9800GTX+ or GTS 250 since they are basically the same card, or with maybe even slower 8800/9800 series card.
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2011-03-11, 11:22
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9800gtx+. you can get 1000fps easily with that one and its pretty cheap aswell.
2011-03-11, 12:40
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I have 2 9800 GX2s but for QW I never bother with Quad SLI and leave the other monitors running - I still get 600 FPS. I would guess with just one card (still 2 chips) and one monitor, you could still achieve this. I run simple textures at 1680*1050.
2011-03-11, 17:56
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For the love of god please don't buy an ATI card for QW.
2011-03-11, 18:14
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Renzo wrote:
If you don't need OpenGL 4.0 or DX11 support (ie. only playing qw) then you could go for used GTX200 class card, like GTX260/275/285. You would also be fine with 9800GTX+ or GTS 250 since they are basically the same card, or with maybe even slower 8800/9800 series card.

As I see GTS 250 costs almost the same money as GTS 450.
Will be GTS 450 fast enough for QW as 250?

And I forgot to mention, that I will use another monitor for all not playing purposes.
It is HP LP2475W with 1920x1200 resolution.
With best wishes, B1aze.
2011-03-11, 18:19
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I didn't notice your that you mention "used".
I prefer to buy new stuff except cars and houses .
With best wishes, B1aze.
2011-03-11, 19:01
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B1aze wrote:
As I see GTS 250 costs almost the same money as GTS 450. Will be GTS 450 fast enough for QW as 250?

GTS450 has more shading power, but it has less memory bandwidth and about half the texture fillrate. The question is how much faster GTS250 is actually in QW, according to specs it could be almost twice as fast but in reality it just doesn't go quite like that.
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2011-03-12, 05:44
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B1aze,

I have a GTS 250 with a Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz. I get around 800 FPS in QW, but on some maps while shooting LG, FPS will drop into the 300's. My graphics level in QW is set to fastest. Since I have not done any special performance tweaks the FPS drop might be solvable via tweaking a few settings. I have an Acer 120 HZ LCD 1920x1080 and that is the resolution I run QW. The FPS drop is noticable when I think about it, but it doesn't feel like it has too much of a negative effect.

I have not run a GTS 450 on this PC, so I do not know if it would perform any better. But, if I was going to buy a new graphics card for QW, my choice would be the GTS 450. If I had an extra $50 I would definitely get the GTX 460 instead, since that should last 'forever' for QW purposes.

According to PassMark benchmarks, the GTS 450 is around 1.5x faster than the GTS 250. The GTX 460 is around 2.4x faster. But keep in mind these benchmarks do not neccessarily translate into QW fps.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Here is a massive GTS 450 review that includes some GTS 250 results. Again, this is not a perfect translation for QW FPS.

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/835606-evga-gts-450-review-multi-gpu.html

Hope this helps,
Kevin
2011-03-12, 07:55
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dgCyanide wrote:
B1aze,

I have a GTS 250 with a Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz. I get around 800 FPS in QW, but on some maps while shooting LG, FPS will drop into the 300's. My graphics level in QW is set to fastest. Since I have not done any special performance tweaks the FPS drop might be solvable via tweaking a few settings. I have an Acer 120 HZ LCD 1920x1080 and that is the resolution I run QW. The FPS drop is noticable when I think about it, but it doesn't feel like it has too much of a negative effect.

I have not run a GTS 450 on this PC, so I do not know if it would perform any better. But, if I was going to buy a new graphics card for QW, my choice would be the GTS 450. If I had an extra $50 I would definitely get the GTX 460 instead, since that should last 'forever' for QW purposes.

According to PassMark benchmarks, the GTS 450 is around 1.5x faster than the GTS 250. The GTX 460 is around 2.4x faster. But keep in mind these benchmarks do not neccessarily translate into QW fps.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Here is a massive GTS 450 review that includes some GTS 250 results. Again, this is not a perfect translation for QW FPS.

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/835606-evga-gts-450-review-multi-gpu.html

Hope this helps,
Kevin

Thanks for the info.

I noticed that target resolution for GTS450 is 1680x1050.
And since I'm going to buy two monitors with 1920x1200 and 1920x1600 probably GTX460 will be better choose.

BTW, interesting question: will I be able to connect two monitors to this videocard?
One 120hz monitor(BENQ) and one 60hz monitor (HP) ?
2DVI to BENQ and HDMI to HP?

What do you think about this model? :

ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/768MD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Overclocked to 700MHz and DirectCU cooling
$160
With best wishes, B1aze.
2011-03-12, 10:04
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GTX460 can handle 2 monitors yes.

I have one myself and play on 1920x1080 120hz with a LGW2363D. Currently playing with stable 1001 fps (r_dynamic enabled) but it can handle more also if you want
2011-03-12, 10:39
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If you are planning on going for GTX460, then you should be aware of the DPC latency issue all GTX460s are having with Intel chipsets older than P55, which basically makes the card perform like crap in every damn situation (even when listening to music only or watching youtube videos). So if you have P45, P35, 965 or so intel chipset, beware.


EDIT:

I actually found one review (finnish site, but you'll see the scores all right) so have a look:

http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/artikkelit/naytonohjaimet/nvidia-geforce-gts-450-gf106,2

More results:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gts-450-gf106-radeon-hd-5750,2734-6.html

Looks like GTS250 is as fast as GTS450 in some DX9/DX10 tests, but if the game supports DX10.1 (or even DX11), GTS450 will be faster. Well of course GTS250 can't run games using DX10.1/11 path.


dgCyanide wrote:
B1aze,

I have a GTS 250 with a Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz. I get around 800 FPS in QW, but on some maps while shooting LG, FPS will drop into the 300's.

You have some driver related setting (threaded optimization) or some clientside setting causing the fps drop. I suggest setting gl_triplebuffer, gl_clear, gl_finish and gl_ztrick to 0 at least.
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2011-03-12, 13:04
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B1aze wrote:
qqshka wrote:
What about GTX 550 ? but its $150 or something.

What it is? I can't find any information about it. And if you are talking about gtx 560, then price will be around $250.

Actually you can google it. And yes I talking about 550 not 560. GTX 550ti will be available on 15 march this year, you can get it in russia already though It is targeted as gts450 replacement IMO, although priced as $150 which is kinda more than gts450 price. But perssonaly I would prefer anything from 5xx rather than 4xx since in my opinion 4xx is rushed/beta/incomplete version of how fermi chip should look, but probably I wrong
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2011-03-12, 16:43
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Renzo: Thanks for those tips!
2011-03-13, 10:23
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Renzo wrote:
You have some driver related setting (threaded optimization) ...

Apparently, Threaded Optimization is working on XP with Nvidia ForceWare 260.99 in my case.

I get a boost of 100 fps.
2011-03-13, 15:56
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Renzo wrote:
If you are planning on going for GTX460, then you should be aware of the DPC latency issue all GTX460s are having with Intel chipsets older than P55, which basically makes the card perform like crap in every damn situation (even when listening to music only or watching youtube videos). So if you have P45, P35, 965 or so intel chipset, beware.

Wasn't that a driver issue that has been solved?
2011-03-13, 17:48
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It certainly doesn't look that way, well, if you believe NVIDIA forums. I haven't really paid attention to the fix since I never had any trouble (nor do I have GTX460) but if you use search on NVIDIA forums, it doesn't look too good.
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