Cool - can the ctf maps be put on cuve please? Have played a few matches there on dm2/dm6/e1m2/dm3 and it's rather fun, but no doubt would be much better with proper ctf maps.

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Disagree! The hook takes getting used to and it definitely makes a very fast game even faster, but the hardcore CTF'ers have been playing with it forever and it adds a lot to the game. Defense is totally possible, especially with proper teamwork. I agree that it takes some getting used to, but think of someone coming from another game and trying QW for the first time. They will say it's far far far too fast, even though we all know that's not true. CTF is a different mod and will feel different to DM'ers who aren't used to it with the hook, that doesn't mean it's flawed


Hehe, same answer as above for the hook! When you learn how they work and get used to them, the runes add a lot of strategy to the game. If you have strength (give 2x damage, 8x with quad) you should probably play defense, with the resistance rune (take half damage) you should play offense, etc... You can also bring a rune back to a teammate if you're playing set positions, or swap runs with the tossrune command. The worst thing is to lose strength or resistance to the enemy, so you modify your play accordingly. And if you get frustrated because you can't kill an enemy with resistance, just take strength and you're even.


That's a fair point, and I think CTF mods for quake2 and up work that way. In reality, it's very rare that a team will win because of more frags but less captures. Consider that a capture gives 15 points to the one who captures, plus 10 points to each of his teammates, plus there will be a few points for assists (killing the enemy flag carrier, returning the flag right before a capture). That means that in 4on4, each capture gives your team about 50 points. That said, I remember a few matches in the 90's where frags made the difference (either due to same number of captures or one less capture). I wouldn't mind if the scoring system changes to just caps, but the way it is now hasn't been a problem in the past. I know we've had to modify strategy mid-game because frags would have made a difference, e.g. if the game is close with little time left, don't just rush in to steal the flag because the other team will get more points for killing you and defending their flag. Kind of like in 2on2 or 4on4, when the clock is running out or enemy has quad and the game is close, you don't just give free kills. So, the current scoring system makes it a little more interesting in my opinion, even if the main goal is to capture the enemy flag


In CTF rules, the first spawn at the start of the game is in your base, but after that you can spawn anywhere. I guess in TF you always spawn in your base?

Some maps you can try for CTF are dm4 (for 2on2) and dm6 or e2m2 for larger games. CTF-specific maps that are popular include ctf8 (or "softbox", a remake), ctf2m3, ctf5, ctf2m1, ctf1, ctf2m8 (basically dm2 on top of another dm2), boom, gym... BTW, none of the official CTF maps (ctf1 through ctf8 and ctf2m1 through ctf2m8) really require the hook, although they're much much easier with it.

Msg me, [DP]BLooD_DoG, on irc if you want to play ctf! I can show you all the tricks and teach you how it's meant to be played Here's a high-ping video from a few years ago. It has confusing skin colors (team = yellow, enemy = red) so it can look strange to see a red player attacking the red base in some clips. You probably won't be able to follow all the strategy that's going on (it looks ffa'ish but believe me it's not), but it should give you an idea of how a real match looks.

ftp://mirror2.mirrors.virginm.net/blueyondergames/blueyondergames/trailers/movies/quakeworld/quakeworld_ctf_in_2005.rar

Where are you playing!? its primetime on saturday and no ctf servers in my gamescanner!!