Why should it be hard to see backpacks but not enemy players?

I mean rockets and grenades that are shot, in the air. You might not see a pine on the floor without fullbrights eg.


I bet majority does not even know it exists. I don't believe in your theory that players decide the rules. The rules are basically decided by a handful of league admins / client coders and most players just accept what they are told because they can't be arsed to care enough.

I however am slightly bothered about illogical and inconsistent policies in these matters.

And yes I only quoted the parts I don't agree with. Eye model's only point is to make the player hard to see so it can be viewed as an exception to the rule.

The ruleset obviously does ban some things that could be used for cheating, but because I feel that cheating is almost nonexistent in qw and the fact that the ruleset also bans nice features for no real reason, I'd rather ditch it. Of course a better solution would be a new ruleset.

Well you tell me, when i started playing online in 99, fb skins was the standard.


Well I guess that league admins/client coders can't be arsed to care about people who do not speak up.

Atleast for me, as I can only speak for myself in this matter, but I try to follow the directions of the players I get input from.

However, regarding the nice new features being banned, like rollalpha, teamoverlay and what not. Oh well blAze, you've been around for a long time, and you remember all the big discussions we've had, regarding fakeshaft, kfjump, if scripts, timers and now the movement scripts.

I believe that the ruleset has been used by client coders as a way to add new features, like rollangle and teamoverlay. If they restrict the usage from the start they won't get into trouble. As nobody cares to whine about a feature that is only available in prac games.

I'm certain that the client coders do not want to restrict the features that they add, I'm pretty sure that when they use a lot of time and energy in creating something, they want it used. But with the qw community that just ain't something you do by just adding it to the lastest stable.

As always, there will be whine.

I'm not satisfied about fuhquake not being allowed as it is the only client that works for me, so guess there will be no hagge playing 4on4 until nqr gets back (( *saknizzen*

Well, as I've said before, if people for some reason cannot run latest stables of either FTE or ezQuake, then exceptions can be made, and if this shows to be a large amount of people, we will of course change the client list.

But hagge, do you also have a stoneage pc? I mean, even my work laptop can run ezQuake using the nQuake package with 308fps stable.

Not every lowdiv player is new to the game, almost everyone is oldschools that have startet over to play again after like 5 years inactivity.

New players can have the possibility to test the maps if both lowdiv clans chooses to play it.
But if one clan really don't wanna play a kenya, they shouldnt be forced to it.

I really don't recommend using default ruleset in competitive environment, lots of the stuff is rather experimental and some can be really mis-used to gain an advantage. Such discussion should have been here sooner, now it's too late. Yes, some of the stuff is disabled just because there wasn't time or will to discuss / test it properly.

There's only one way to properly decide on other stuff (enemy skin forcing, strafe script, ...) - make a poll where each team that signed up for EQL can vote.

Problem with maps is that cmt3 and cmt4 are not THAT great and they are de-facto another "the best 5". The scene is so braindead that playing 5 maps over and over again is considered incredibly different from playing 3 maps over and over again. Sigh.

i have the same problem. so i entirely support the idea. I hope that 1.9.3 will containes in_raw_allbuttons.

What do you recommend then?


Well such a discussion wasn't possible to do before EQL9, as this EQL season wasn't supposed to happen, we expected NQR do start up again.

Actually, we decided to do EQL 5mins after soma msg'ed me that NQR wouldn't happen.
[20:53:40] *** Zalon changes topic to 'EQL scheduled to start this february'
at 23:18 i posted this http://www.quakeworld.nu/news/425/

I recommend smackdown ruleset and discuss each disabled feature separately in more appropriate time in more appropriate place.

ezQuake 1.9.3 will have in_raw_allbuttons.

hehe zalon, my computer is very antique yes.. it's about nine years old and I don't really know why fuhq works better for me, but I haven't managed to fix ezq to work in the same way and therefor there is no point for me to change

Well for those who can't change to latest stable of either the ezQuake or fte client, we will of course allow the usage of another client. What we want with the limitation is to make it easier for the players to authenticate their clients, also with updated clients, it's possible for us to better communicate with the developers and discuss future features. And for those that can upgrade, I see no reason why they shouldn't

You can run the latest ezQuake very good with 700MHz Athlon and Geforce1, at least stable 77fps. If you have 1GHz p3 with GF4ti you can run ezQ at 250fps max so unless you have a VERY SHITTY pc with 400MHz p2 and riva tnt, then the fps might be problematic.

How exactly do you plan to distinguish between those who can and cannot? I know that your intentions are good but at the same time you make yourself a target of "untruthful statements". Like one player just cannot be bothered to upgrade and whines to you about how the official clients don't work on his PC - how high are the changes anyway? That, in turn, questions the rule overall. Either you (can) enforce it and ensure equal rights for all or you might treat some players unfair. What about the guys you reject the use of a legacy client? Lots of drama potential here.

I suggest you either enforce the rule without any concessions or you allow the use of Fuhquake for everyone. I prefer the first.

While I understand the need for consistency in rules, we can't afford to alienate any players with legitimate reasons for not upgrading in these delicate times.

ESPECIALLY NOT THE MIGHTY DIV0 HAGGE!

Perhaps there could be a fundraiser among the players. Just a few bucks each to buy a PIII 500 mhz for hagge. The heart and soul of QW~~!

I understand that some might do that, but I believe that QW players are more mature than that

The reason why it's removed from the list is to get those who can upgrade to do so.

Let's hope so.