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2009-02-02, 20:18
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Looking for a good flat screen monitor please. Also, what should I look for when buying a flat screen when it comes to quake?
2009-02-02, 21:08
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Moved to better forum.

Considering QW, you basically need to look for:

1) Very low or zero input lag (video lag)

2) Properly working 75Hz refreshrate

Both features are hard to come by in a single package. TFTs usually have input lag (or video lag) but there are certain models that have very little of it, or even almost zero. The other problem is the refrershrate: most of the TFTs can actually display 75Hz but only very few of them do so WITHOUT skipping every fifth frame that makes the monitor actually capable of only 60Hz (75/5*4=60Hz).

The response time these days means nothing, however you might want to get TFT with RTC (an overdrive) that removes most of the ghosting. However overdrives have tendency to add unwanted "overdrive artifacting" to the screen that can be perceived as halo rings around moving objects or inverted ghosting colors. What it means is that moving objects might have a glow around them, or in the other case when black object flies through light grey background you'll get a ghost image of that object that is actually colored white and not black. There are some models that do this perfectly but they are the minority. Without an overdrive the response time is always 10ms+ and causes somewhat visible ghosting (but with no RTC artifacts).

You should check Prad.de (english), WSGFWiki and finally Anandtech LCD Buyer's Guide
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2009-02-03, 08:35
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Syncmaster t220 is "good" for qw. Its no crt screen, but still very nice imo.
2009-02-03, 11:25
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@Renzo: thanks for that details reply. So what are the technical terms I should be looking at online if I cannot test the monitor? max refresh rate and input lag?

@jon: those monitors are like 350! will I really need to spend that much to get a good flat screen?!
2009-02-03, 11:27
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actually I have seen them cheap on ebay. Is that a good monitor to go for then? (Syncmaster t220)
2009-02-03, 12:02
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If you can find a Viewsonic VX922 in decent quality, I highly recommend it. You can probably find a mint condition one on EBay for no more than 125.
2009-02-03, 17:07
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PlaZmaZ wrote:
If you can find a Viewsonic VX922 in decent quality, I highly recommend it. You can probably find a mint condition one on EBay for no more than 125.

Thats no widescreen

And yes Serox, its good. I use it at 1152x854@75 hz - 600 fps, smooth enough for me (not as smooth as crt ofcouse, but i like the feeling and big display)
2009-02-03, 17:11
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LG Flatron L227WT seems a very good choice regarding input lag AND non-existing overdrive effects. However what's unclear to me that if it supports 75Hz refreshrate without the frameskip. The cost is a bit above 200 euros too so it's not too pricey either.
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2009-02-03, 18:41
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I have Benq E2400HD 24" 16:9. Its awesome with 0 input lag. Not as smooth as my 19" CRT but still good. fov 117 > fov 102 ;-)
2009-02-03, 19:37
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terrorhead wrote:
I have Benq E2400HD 24" 16:9. Its awesome with 0 input lag. Not as smooth as my 19" CRT but still good. fov 117 > fov 102 ;-)

It has input lag.
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2009-02-03, 22:27
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Hi. New here but not in QW.
From what i know (and was diggin in lately) the only LCD monitor with no input lag (and affordable price) is Samsung SM2493HM.
LG L227WT is almost the same as L226WTQ. I've got this one and it sucks in games as fast as QW.

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2008/review-samsung-2493hm-part16.html#Responsiveness
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206
2009-02-03, 22:30
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I like this Benq E2200HD 22" 16:9 also for gaming..
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2009-02-04, 10:31
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The Benq E2200HD 22" are quite cheap.

Can you confirm what refresh rates you can achieve and does it have lag etc

Thanks guys!
2009-02-04, 11:24
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I was thinking about LCD monitor around month. Finally I purchased a Samsung 2053BW two weeks ago. Works nice with 75Hz up to 1440x900 through DVI and i can't notice any frameskip. Besides that it's a really nice monitor. IMO 1680x1050 looks better on a 20" than on 22" screen. After calibration colors are ok for me (both in RTC and normal mode, so i use RTC all the time). Previously i was using an IBM P76 (CRT) and i don't miss it at all.
http://www.hardware.info/en-US/productdb/bGRkZpiVmJXKY8g/viewproduct/Samsung_SyncMaster_2053BW_LS20AQWJFV/#
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/print/20inch-6.html
2009-02-04, 12:38
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serox wrote:
The Benq E2200HD 22" are quite cheap.

Can you confirm what refresh rates you can achieve and does it have lag etc

Thanks guys!

It has input lag like I already mentioned (it is the same monitor as E2400HD but in smaller size). It also has the same panel as G2400WD/E2400HD so it also has input lag of 0-16ms (averaging ~8ms) and can display only 60Hz properly (well, afaik).
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2009-02-04, 21:24
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Renzo wrote:
terrorhead wrote:

It has input lag.

Anand says NO http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3449&p=8

I believe Anand not some dodgy German site.

And if it has input lag its probably less than Viewsonic VX922. VX9222 is OOOLLLLLDDDDD. LCD technology has improved since then. Might as well play on 19" CRT.
2009-02-04, 22:30
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anandtech wrote:
The reference Monitor is an HP LP3065, which we have found to be one of the best LCDs we currently possess in terms of not having display lag.

The comparison was made against another TFT screen while prad.de (experts on the TFT testing, unlike anandtech people, their experties are elsewhere) compared to CRT screen. So the earlier statement still stands: It has input lag.
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2009-02-05, 01:10
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Renzo wrote:
anandtech wrote:
The reference Monitor is an HP LP3065, which we have found to be one of the best LCDs we currently possess in terms of not having display lag.

The comparison was made against another TFT screen while prad.de (experts on the TFT testing, unlike anandtech people, their experties are elsewhere) compared to CRT screen. So the earlier statement still stands: It has input lag.

Yeah I know all LCDs do. But as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist because I don't notice it. I just upgraded from a CRT and I don't notice it. On the other hand I have an advantage over 4:3 users because of much higher fov. 16:9 ftw.
2009-02-05, 01:47
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Well perhaps I was a bit unclear too. I have G2400WD that uses the same panel and has the same input lag, varying from 0ms to 16ms averaging somewhere around 7 or 8ms, and it is not noticeable. However the 60Hz effect is, that's why these 60Hz monitors "suck" in qw.
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2009-02-05, 03:01
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Renzo wrote:
Well perhaps I was a bit unclear too. I have G2400WD that uses the same panel and has the same input lag, varying from 0ms to 16ms averaging somewhere around 7 or 8ms, and it is not noticeable. However the 60Hz effect is, that's why these 60Hz monitors "suck" in qw.

I sort of agree. I wouldn't say they suck for qw but I definitely see a bit of ghosting in qw but not in other games.
2009-02-05, 05:56
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I use BenQ 22" LCD E2200HD TCO03.

1920 x 1080
2ms repsonse time
75 hz
1949:- (swedish money)
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